Curse

BlueNovember · Jun 17, 2007, 09:23 AM // 09:23

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Originally Posted by Firebaall

I suppose you have a problem with people earning high Lightbringer points in HM too? How unfair to those that had max LB before HM!!!

I mean heck...well most of the ppl running around with max LB before HM exploited that too. Heh.

That is a shockingly poor analogy.
Farming LB in HM is, surprisingly, generally harder. Why shouldn't they get double points?
As for those of us who maxed LB before HM update, I'd guestimate that 90% did it via AFK anyway. (But this has been discussed to death, so let's not digress).

There has never been an update that suddenly made a title half as hard to get.
To draw a comparason, the double-faction trick could be compared to:

Permanent double fame/gladpoints/commander points
Every chest you open grants two opens to your Treasure title
Every gold you id grants two ids to your Wisdom title
All XP gained whilst under 1,337,500 total xp is doubled
Cap an elite skill and instantly learn another one of your choice
...

At least with skill tomes you have to farm/buy the tomes. As for lockpicks, it's completely irrelevant to discussion :P. (wts lockpicks, 1.3k ea)
So no, it really isn't an elitist post to vent steam, just a discussion of a pretty significant change to a title track.

All that said, I'm all for making things easier, (especially such a daunting title track,) in fact I hope they keep it in

. Now people can feasibly get both luxon/kurz maxed, even if it means our faction pluments; we're about titles and community, not elitism and holding HzH.

Appologies for the rambling,
blue.

Cathode_Reborn · Jun 17, 2007, 09:24 AM // 09:24

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Originally Posted by Valens

I will deal with these new updates as we have dealt with others (like scrolls which make HzH and Cavalon just another town), but have a problem with an exploit which can seriously advance a members title twice as fast as it should normally take.

I wouldn't call it an exploit. If anet didn't like the way it's setup, it wouldn't have happened. Before these skills existed, it was pointless to donate factions to an alliance unless you're absolutely sure you'll end up owning a town (but even then, owning a town isn't really a big deal). If you knew you the alliance had no chance, there was no reason to donate factions. The title itself doesn't prove anything and is no good since the max tier takes a ridiculous amount of faction to max....But now that kurz/lux factions arn't useless anymore because you can get skills using them, anet made it easier for the casual players who never donated in the first place. I'm pretty sure they already know about this "exploit".

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Originally Posted by FoxBat

Tell me where the update notes say "you gain 6k towards your faction title while only spending 3K on a skill. "

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In order to accommodate the addition of Kurzick and Luxon PvE skills, the Friend of the Kurzicks and Friend of the Luxon titles have been modified:
The number of ranks for these titles has been significantly increased. The faction point requirement for the top rank is still the same, but the faction requirement for the first rank has been lowered.
The Faction Transfer and Faction Rewards NPCs have been combined.
Exchanging faction points for amber or jade now gives progress toward these titles.
The blessing provided by Kurzick and Luxon shrine priests now gives progress toward these titles for kills earned while under the blessing’s effects.
Exchanging faction points for Kurzick/Luxon skills will also give progress toward these titles.

Not any exact numbers, but you get the point.

Evilsod · Jun 17, 2007, 11:38 AM // 11:38

So.... in short. Spending 3k on getting a skill gives you 6k towards the title?

Fair enough. It does seems like a little mistake on Anets part. Specially as you can just zone to the GH straight off and buy these skills.

They should either remove the 6k faction or do what someone above suggested. No skills till you complete Befriending, meaning you've done the storyline without haxxord skills.

Gli · Jun 17, 2007, 11:43 AM // 11:43

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Originally Posted by Cathode_Reborn

I wouldn't call it an exploit. If anet didn't like the way it's setup, it wouldn't have happened.

Mmmright, after all, ANet never made a mistake before, why would they make one now?

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Originally Posted by Cathode_Reborn

But now that kurz/lux factions arn't useless anymore because you can get skills using them, anet made it easier for the casual players who never donated in the first place. I'm pretty sure they already know about this "exploit".

Yeah, there's obviously nothing odd about gaining a substantial benefit by repeatedly recreating a character. That's obviously something everyone is expected to do in the course of normal game-play. The fact that they removed a similar situation in a recent update, involving a small amount of gold, doesn't mean a thing. That was just, you know, an update for the sake of making updates.

SotiCoto · Jun 17, 2007, 12:00 PM // 12:00

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Originally Posted by Drop of Fear

definition of exploit: something is not meant to be in the game.
when u buy a kurzick skill the tranfer window tells that u will receive a 6k bonus in your track, ergo is not an exploit.
period.

ex·ploit(ksploit, k-sploit)
n.
An act or deed, especially a brilliant or heroic one. See Synonyms at feat1.
tr.v. (k-sploit, ksploit) ex·ploit·ed, ex·ploit·ing, ex·ploits
1. To employ to the greatest possible advantage: exploit one's talents.
2. To make use of selfishly or unethically: a country that exploited peasant labor. See Synonyms at manipulate.
3. To advertise; promote.

Conclusion: You fail at definition.
Period.

Seaweed · Jun 17, 2007, 12:16 PM // 12:16

I didn't know about this also. Woot I can't wait to do that.

Francis Demeules · Jun 17, 2007, 12:19 PM // 12:19

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Originally Posted by Evilsod

They should either remove the 6k faction or do what someone above suggested. No skills till you complete Befriending, meaning you've done the storyline without haxxord skills.

Wait until you get lvl 20 to buy it or reduce the faction when we buy those skills. Jadeite is 1k per piece. If a skill cost 3k, why not reducing 3k to your title instead of 6k?

Just something to reduce the exploit.

Cacheelma · Jun 17, 2007, 12:26 PM // 12:26

Reducing the reward from 6k per skill to just 3k equal to its cost would fix this exploit right on the spot. People will just spend the faction points for jade/amber or scrolls instead of creating a new char over and over.

Neo Nugget · Jun 17, 2007, 02:20 PM // 14:20

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Originally Posted by Evilsod

So.... in short. Spending 3k on getting a skill gives you 6k towards the title?

Fair enough. It does seems like a little mistake on Anets part. Specially as you can just zone to the GH straight off and buy these skills.

They should either remove the 6k faction or do what someone above suggested. No skills till you complete Befriending, meaning you've done the storyline without haxxord skills.

Then befriending should be the only requirement.

Doctor Norris · Jun 17, 2007, 02:27 PM // 14:27

Miral that was perfect. I laughed forever!

Navaros · Jun 17, 2007, 02:35 PM // 14:35

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Originally Posted by BlueNovember

That is a shockingly poor analogy.
Farming LB in HM is, surprisingly, generally harder. Why shouldn't they get double points?

LOL! No it's not! Using Show of Force and farming LB in worms in HM makes LB the second easiest title in the game to max, after Sunspear which is the first via doing the same exact thing. All you have to do is flag the worms to the enemies. Other than that, you can go AFK not do a darn thing whatsoever as the LB points roll in. It takes zero skill and has zero challenge whatsoever to do.

I hope what is listed in the OP is indeed not an exploit because the Allegiance titles take ludicrous amounts of time to max. Cutting that Allegiance grind in half would be great. There is nothing hard whatsoever about maxing Allegiance the old way, it's only a matter of how much ludicrous amounts of grind time one put into it.

darkk wound · Jun 17, 2007, 02:42 PM // 14:42

what valens is trying to say is, people can now spend there faction skills which gives them 6k faction towards there title. BUT what about all the faction based guilds ? how are they supposed to survive if members are spending there faction on the skills and amber ?

all you people saying its useless to own a town did you know you get discounted prices in the special area ?

byteme! · Jun 17, 2007, 02:44 PM // 14:44

WAIT WAIT WAIT! Let me get this straight. We need 10mil faction to max out our title/luxon pve skill. From what I understand this can be cut in half from the method mentioned in an earlier post and the OP thinks this is BAD?

byteme! · Jun 17, 2007, 02:45 PM // 14:45

WAIT WAIT WAIT! Let me get this straight. We need 10mil faction to max out our title/luxon pve skill. From what I understand this can be cut in half from the method mentioned in an earlier post and the OP thinks this is BAD?

byteme! · Jun 17, 2007, 02:50 PM // 14:50

WAIT WAIT WAIT! Let me get this straight. We need 10mil faction to max out our title/luxon pve skill. From what I understand this can be cut in half from the method mentioned in an earlier post and the OP thinks this is BAD?

Miral · Jun 17, 2007, 03:05 PM // 15:05

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Originally Posted by darkk wound

what valens is trying to say is, people can now spend there faction skills which gives them 6k faction towards there title. BUT what about all the faction based guilds ? how are they supposed to survive if members are spending there faction on the skills and amber ?

all you people saying its useless to own a town did you know you get discounted prices in the special area ?

hmm well, if the members if a guild aren't loyal, then they probably shouldn't own a town anyway... if a guild wants a town, they'll work towards it.

BlueNovember · Jun 17, 2007, 06:12 PM // 18:12

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Originally Posted by BlueNovember

Farming LB points in Hard mode is generally harder than in normal mode

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Originally Posted by Navaros

LOL! No it's not! Using Show of Force and farming LB in worms in HM makes LB the second easiest title in the game to max...

"harder" != "hard".
I never said it wasn't easy, I just said there's at least _some_ justification of an increase in points. My point stands. (And was the "LOL" really necessary? :\)

Navaros · Jun 17, 2007, 06:21 PM // 18:21

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Originally Posted by BlueNovember

"harder" != "hard".

But it is not harder. Farming LB points in worms in HM is the easiest place in the game to farm LB. Way easier than any normal mode LB farming spots. So from a logical perspective, no, there is not any reasonable justification for double LB points from HM. And therefore Firebaall was right when he stated that people farmed up their LB in NM before HM came out had a harder time of it than those who farmed it up in HM (if they did it after the res exploit was closed, that is). Just like what is happening with the faction titles now.

darkk wound · Jun 17, 2007, 06:48 PM // 18:48

byteme are you some sort of an idiot ? we dont care about the title what valens and i just said is what we want. an alliance that owns a town, which we have we own hzh the best town on the kurzicks side.

but with anets new update members can now get faction and spend it on skills/amber and have faction go towards there title yes it sounds great BUT what about the guild. the guild needs faction if you dont have faction then you loose the town.

with this new update it will be a challange to keep track on who donates good job anet you dont a wonderful job on that update. NOT "!"

Enko · Jun 17, 2007, 07:31 PM // 19:31

too bad they just don't add a list of faction amount donated by each member. i know one of my old guilds wanted this so we can give out prizes to people who donated a lot.

if they added in a list of faction contributors, would that fix the problem with you?